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    If you end up going to court, you can stay at my place....I'd be happy to go with you as a witness to the pipes just layin around his shop like decor lol
    Lookin for a new goat...mine is wore the hell out!

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    According to my information he now has the letter. All I can do for the moment is wait for a response, which I really hope to receive.

    I'm ready and willing to go down that other road if I have to but, I'd obviously prefer to solve this issue rationally without involving anyone else. Maybe with a little luck I'll be able to appeal to his reasonable and ethical side. **Fingers crossed**

    For those of you who are also involved in this, going to court is not the only option. Filing a claim with the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) may also be an alternate route to reclaiming our funds/property. Doing so can spark a Federal investigation and allow authorities to take appropriate enforcement actions.

    He accepted roughly $6000 for product that he still has yet to make good on. Normally that is called stealing. On top of that, he has had zero communications with me since accepting the funds. And as far as I know, most (if not all but 1 or 2) of us who purchased a pipe haven't heard a word from Mr. Hill since purchase, in spite of trying.
    I've emailed, I've called and now I've sent a letter.


    Again, I am hoping I don't have to take either of these other routes. I REALLY do hope to hear from Mr. Hill.

    P.S.-
    If anyone else would like a draft of the letter that I sent to him, let me know. I can edit it so essentially, all you have to do is fill in your name on the correct spots.
    If you guys still think he's going to eventually send them out on his own, you all are dreaming. It's literally been over 3 years for some of you guys (including myself). He's going to need a little push (shove) if we ever want to see what we paid for.

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    Any update on him receiving the letter, have you had any sort or reply of any sort????
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    There's a list? Wow that means Arick dodge was first and NIZ was second. Good to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cablescum View Post
    If you end up going to court, you can stay at my place....I'd be happy to go with you as a witness to the pipes just layin around his shop like decor lol
    Is it certain that this was the pipes of the orders palced here ? If this is not corrobateable a such comment may unwarrentedly help Mr Hill as having made but not shipped the pipes would not make it fraud but force it on a civic law path while having made some pipes and not shipped the ordered ones would be just that.

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    It is certain. There were only a dozen stainless stamps.

    Any pic of a stainless pipe, is one of the 12
    Lookin for a new goat...mine is wore the hell out!

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    i wish i could be of more help you guys, i really do...

    ...but i can tell you they haven't been sold off.
    i have seen them sitting there fairly recently.
    and i know he owes the laser cutter $700.00 (to get the brackets)...

    Eric is very disappointed in himself and the situation he put himself in.
    he has talked about closing Flowsystem's doors forever,
    and just refunding all the money.

    if i ever get more information,
    i will obviously share it with the community.

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    I don't understand him refunding everyone's money back, if he's made them all? Why not just ship out the ones he's made so far, if not all made then refund the ones that aren't made. Or am I missing something here, or is it the fact that he can't afford to ship them out?
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    There's a list? Wow that means Arick dodge was first and NIZ was second. Good to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niz View Post
    I don't understand him refunding everyone's money back, if he's made them all? Why not just ship out the ones he's made so far, if not all made then refund the ones that aren't made. Or am I missing something here, or is it the fact that he can't afford to ship them out?
    i didn't mean to sound like that was the way he was going for sure.
    he has just said that when venting about the situation.
    i push back when he starts talking like that...
    but he's selling some assets. which makes me think hes saving money to refund.

    like I've told most of you, I'm not really at liberty to play the middle man anymore.
    but i have been apart of this community for a long time,
    and feel for you guys. so i will help in any way i can.

    Neil, you are owed a full explanation..
    we should talk on the phone sometime.
    PM me

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    I would assume the majority of the pipes are still in halves. The stamps are unbelievably difficult to fit and I can assure you it is very labor intensive to achieve proper fitment. If the buyer were to receive just materials to in essence build their own pipe the null population would fail miserably.

    Let’s say a handful are done and do not have brackets. . . The more than generous fabricator/member would still be out of the jigs for the multiple platforms offered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattetch View Post
    I don't agree, he's not some one of a kind virtuoso...
    wrong matt.
    every Arizonan should at least know that much.

    Ryan and i are working on a possible solution to all this.
    no promises folks...

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    I need my money back.
    $800 is big money to me!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cablescum View Post
    I called him a couple months ago. Offered to pay the shipping on all pipes myself, though I have no monetary interest in them...he refused.

    I promtly told him to f u c K right off, so that was the end of that. I've since seen pics of them complete. If they'll ever be shipped, i cannot say...the dude is a certifiable cookoobrain.

    I'd appreciate it if anyone who did not pay for a pipe, stay...the...hell, out of this thread. If not, I will close it.

    No cover up, if y'all want to see how this plays out, shut your cake holes and let the ones who payed speak...or go ahead and post(and I'll ban you for a year for disrespecting the guys who paid)

    Got it?

    ^ that would be a rhetorical question.
    This will be the last time I post this qoute.

    Every one has an opinion, and yes you are entitled to it. And your opinions are welcome in any other thread EXCEPT this one. Remember now?

    We really don't want to ban any one. And we want the people involved to have a place to discuss the possibility of resolution.

    So pretty please, with $$$$in sugar on top. Stay out of this thread if you are not directly involved.
    Hell Fab

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    pipe or refund dont matter to me
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    Snake found BrentMG has had his ped worked on and parts purchased including a pipe during this time Hill is not finishing items already paid for. Thanks Brent you say your not the middle man but continue to get work done knowing he's screwed over many people and basically stollen money. Name:  IMG_1067.jpg
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    The fact that you deleted this comment proves I'm right.

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    yeah, you're right mike.
    I still have all my stuff worked on by Eric. what's your point?
    him and i (and our families) have been friends for 19 years.
    nothing in the goped community will change that.

    are you just hurt that you burned your bridge with Eric?

    i still think it's shitty how Eric handled the pipe situation.
    even Eric hates himself for how it was handled...
    (he still believes everyone will get their pipes)
    him and i do not talk about the pipes anymore.
    he doesn't want me in the middle of things anymore.

    and yes, you're right - i deleted your comment on IG.
    i'm not online so i can be trolled by people...

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